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first up here in los angeles, president obama will attend a small fundraiser with former president bill clinton and then he will attend a production at the theater tonight. vice president joe biden is getting ready for thursday night, and it is somewhat in damage control mode. lester? >> we want to turn now to our political director and chief white house correspondent chuck todd. chuck, the debate, the positive numbers we noted potential game changers for both candidates last week, how do you expect they'll try to build off this week? >> they're trying to go on the air using the debate in tv advertisements to try to sort of blunt some of the debate momentum that romney got. but i also know that behind the scenes, there is a little bit of the confronting of the president to say you need to watch the debate, and they've passed along a statistic, i'm told at least tonight, to let them know the president spoke for more time on the air but used less words and trying to emphasize to him that he's got to get better at making his point. as for mitt romney, he big campaign speech tomorrow. they're tryin
first up here in los angeles, president obama will attend a small fundraiser with former president bill clinton and then he will attend a production at the theater tonight. vice president joe biden is getting ready for thursday night, and it is somewhat in damage control mode. lester? >> we want to turn now to our political director and chief white house correspondent chuck todd. chuck, the debate, the positive numbers we noted potential game changers for both candidates last week, how do...
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it goes back to bill clinton. >> there was a story out yesterday that that claim is fiction because you don't count the loophole closing. >> what loophole? >> he talked about mortgage interest. really quickly -- >> mortgage interest? >> he has never talked about mortgage interest. >> the hilarity that there is one -- >> we have one loophole. >> mike, finish, but then i want to get on to something else. >> the president says he wants to lower tax cuts to big corporations. how to pay for it? loopholes. what loopholes? nothing. we'll tell you after the election. you're attacking romney for the same thing. >> i want to talk about the gas prices. one thing that was striking, speaker gingrich, is what some were arguing about the actual numbers. jack welch made a lot of headlines with a tweet that said, unbelievable jobs numbers. these chicago guys will do anything. can't debate so they change the numbers without any substantiation. he was on "hardball" with chris matthews and this is how he explained it. >> i've reviewed 14 businesses this week. from restaurants to widgets. i have seen everyb
it goes back to bill clinton. >> there was a story out yesterday that that claim is fiction because you don't count the loophole closing. >> what loophole? >> he talked about mortgage interest. really quickly -- >> mortgage interest? >> he has never talked about mortgage interest. >> the hilarity that there is one -- >> we have one loophole. >> mike, finish, but then i want to get on to something else. >> the president says he wants to lower...
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bill clinton tried the approach that i'm talking about. we created 23 million new jobs. we went from deficit to surplus. and businesses did very well. so in some ways we've got some data on which approach is more likely to create jobs and opportunity for americans. and i believe that the economy works best when middle-class families are getting tax breaks so that they've got some money in their pockets. and those of us who've done extraordinarily well because of this magnificent country that we live in, that we can afford to do a little bit more to make sure we're not blowing up the deficit. >> jim, the president began this segment. so i think i get the last word -- >> you're going to get the first word in the next segment. >> but he gets the first word of that segment. i get the last word of that -- i hope. let me just make this comment. let me repeat what i said. i'm not in favor of a $5 trillion tax cut. that's not my plan. my plan is not to put in place any tax cut that will add to the deficit. that's point one. so you may keep referring to it as a $5 trillion tax cu
bill clinton tried the approach that i'm talking about. we created 23 million new jobs. we went from deficit to surplus. and businesses did very well. so in some ways we've got some data on which approach is more likely to create jobs and opportunity for americans. and i believe that the economy works best when middle-class families are getting tax breaks so that they've got some money in their pockets. and those of us who've done extraordinarily well because of this magnificent country that we...
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>> one thing president clinton has done so successfully, he's not against wealth. he's just against hypocrisy, right? it's great -- he's for people doing well and he wants middle class people to do well. >> did you see a wildlife movie where the cougar or lion gets the antelope finally and starts to eat them. they always do it kindly. that's how bill clinton does it. >>> a number of new national polls out right now. a national journal poll found the race tied up. a national public radio has obama up by seven. these can't both be right. the latest nbc/wall street journal poll, always right, splits the voters. the new poll from nbc/wall street journal/telemundo, look at this, 50% spread, howard. >> this is a number -- >> this is the lead. >> this is a number that drives karl rove and -- >> the architect. >> the architect and most other republicans of the bush era completely crazy. >> because it was -- >> completely crazy because it's self-made. it's what mitt romney did to himself in the primaries, what the republicans did to themselves in the primary. they know unle
>> one thing president clinton has done so successfully, he's not against wealth. he's just against hypocrisy, right? it's great -- he's for people doing well and he wants middle class people to do well. >> did you see a wildlife movie where the cougar or lion gets the antelope finally and starts to eat them. they always do it kindly. that's how bill clinton does it. >>> a number of new national polls out right now. a national journal poll found the race tied up. a national...
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time we have been able to point to where reloses his cool in a way is inadvertent, did it to hillary clinton, well you're likable enough, hillary. you have to be ready for that if you are caught glancing the wrong way, let alone saying the way al gore s. >> don't look at your watch. >> remember that. it could hurt you. it could hurt you. but he has got a much easier job, i think. the president has to defend his record in a positive way and those keep his cool. >> howard fineman, stopping by the kids' table here in denver. thanks for being part of the day. >> if you hear me singing at the end, ♪ turn out the lights, the party's over ♪ >> we will see you soon. finish that song. >>> up next, both sides dusting off old tapes hours before the first big debate, nothing coordinated about that, right? we will dig into the ridiculousness as "the cycle" "rolls on from denver on wednesday, october 3, 2012. [ male announcer ] wouldn't it be cool if we took the nissan altima and reimagined nearly everything in it? gave it greater horsepower and best in class 38 mpg highway... advanced headlights... a
time we have been able to point to where reloses his cool in a way is inadvertent, did it to hillary clinton, well you're likable enough, hillary. you have to be ready for that if you are caught glancing the wrong way, let alone saying the way al gore s. >> don't look at your watch. >> remember that. it could hurt you. it could hurt you. but he has got a much easier job, i think. the president has to defend his record in a positive way and those keep his cool. >> howard...
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ronald reagan and bill clinton. say your opponent's record is bad and still be optimistic about america and i think both of these guys forget to think that the president's a little better on it. romney is an optimistic guy. he will be better for himself if he focuses on optimism. >> talk about strength. >> the republican strategist talks about this all the time. the moments that matter are moments where you do something to show that you're a strong leader and either by implication or a frontal attack the other person is not as strong. reagan and clinton are masters of this, through their demeanor, ceasing the moment, it will be played over and over again of strength, not weakness. >> my real prickish question, a difficult one. the alien from abroad, and he looked at it and said, who is that guy? and he said, it's romney. it seems to be out of the normal conduct of people thaw meet. it seems odd. >> all of the polls have said two to one that they expect obama to outperform romney. so in that sense if he gets up there
ronald reagan and bill clinton. say your opponent's record is bad and still be optimistic about america and i think both of these guys forget to think that the president's a little better on it. romney is an optimistic guy. he will be better for himself if he focuses on optimism. >> talk about strength. >> the republican strategist talks about this all the time. the moments that matter are moments where you do something to show that you're a strong leader and either by implication...
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the conventional wisdom has been because everybody has bill clinton in their mind that the democrat, president obama, will do better in the town hall relating and empathizing and showing he connects to people. i'm not so sure about this president. >> well, i'm not so sure, although both of them will be -- i think the strongest mitt romney has been in my experience as a presidential candidate on the debate the other night was the events he did in both cycles last campaign in 2008 and this one, his so-called ask mitt anything events where he did take questions from people. he showed humor and the kind of fluidness and personality that he showed in the depate ba in those events and people that think this format clearly favors the president i don't think are right. >> but you know, one advantage that mitt romney won't have, barack obama will not be unprepared for the second debate the way he was for the first one. he's a competitive guy, we know he wants to win this election, he's smart. i have to believe he is going to focus and prepare in a way he did not the first time around. >> and
the conventional wisdom has been because everybody has bill clinton in their mind that the democrat, president obama, will do better in the town hall relating and empathizing and showing he connects to people. i'm not so sure about this president. >> well, i'm not so sure, although both of them will be -- i think the strongest mitt romney has been in my experience as a presidential candidate on the debate the other night was the events he did in both cycles last campaign in 2008 and this...
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then clinton and bob dole. >> howard dean said that president obama should not make the same mistake al gore did in 2000 against george w. bush. >> that's not the way america's meant to be. >> and there, there's nixon with the flop sweat. george h.w. bush looking at his watch. appearances count, don't they? >> they really do. and a professional knows that. george h.w. bush in that debate, that third one in richmond in 1992, he was looking at his watch because he was trying to make the point that one of the other candidates had run over time. it didn't really compute this was sending the message that he was impatient, just the kind of message he didn't want to send. >> humor can be an effective tool, diffuse a weakness. >> i will not make age an issue of this campaign. i am not going to exploit for political purposes my opponent's youth and inexperience. >> and at that moment, a lot of people said well, there's the ball game. including his opponent. >> including walter mondale. >> what do you think about humor as a tool in this debate tonight? >> you'd better be a very accomplished ac
then clinton and bob dole. >> howard dean said that president obama should not make the same mistake al gore did in 2000 against george w. bush. >> that's not the way america's meant to be. >> and there, there's nixon with the flop sweat. george h.w. bush looking at his watch. appearances count, don't they? >> they really do. and a professional knows that. george h.w. bush in that debate, that third one in richmond in 1992, he was looking at his watch because he was...
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here we go again with bill clinton of 1997, with the media saying, move on, move on, move on. this is old news. let's get on. but then hugeorge bush roam 43 with the national guard in 1971 and they all wanted to cover it. now they are back to move o. all of this is old news. third takeaway on this. what cnn reported is flatout untrue. when they say, we all covered it extensively. look, check your nexus. not one media outlet has ever covered what you showed on your show. not one has ever done it. so when they say it's old news, let's move o. that's an old canard. that's really dishonest because they never have. >> sean: if this is the case, shamusthe dog is old news and mitt romney being a bull nehigh school is old news. i guess, bain capital is old news. i guess his years as governor is old news. that's their standard by the liberal media. the suck-up-to-obama and kiss it. >> you hit the nail right on the head. age is not an issue with republicans. you can go back to the beginning of time. but if it happened yesterday with the democrats, it's old news. >> sean: but the preside
here we go again with bill clinton of 1997, with the media saying, move on, move on, move on. this is old news. let's get on. but then hugeorge bush roam 43 with the national guard in 1971 and they all wanted to cover it. now they are back to move o. all of this is old news. third takeaway on this. what cnn reported is flatout untrue. when they say, we all covered it extensively. look, check your nexus. not one media outlet has ever covered what you showed on your show. not one has ever done...
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he is running on the clinton economy, more than he is on his own -- >> greta: in other words, they were buried -- >> well, whatever -- whatever -- whatever word you want to use, there are not a lot of things to point to in the economic numbers that make you feel good about t. he clarified and said it's because of the romney and ryan policies that they were buried over the larger period than four yierz, but it's a bad comment. it's the four years that you are going to have president obama trying to defend -- tomorrow night. >> the problem is, joe biden talked about the one thing he was not supposed to talk about on the campaign. this is what the obama administration has been militant about -- they want to talk about the bad things of the bush administration and the things they may do in the future that will make them better. they don't want to talk about the last four years, in particular the fact that there arguably has know been a worse times for the middle class than in the past four years. >> this is the message they were trying to send. i saw a word analysis of the republican and th
he is running on the clinton economy, more than he is on his own -- >> greta: in other words, they were buried -- >> well, whatever -- whatever -- whatever word you want to use, there are not a lot of things to point to in the economic numbers that make you feel good about t. he clarified and said it's because of the romney and ryan policies that they were buried over the larger period than four yierz, but it's a bad comment. it's the four years that you are going to have president...
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and then proceed to walk through as clinton would have done the mathematics to prove it. i don't think romney would have been smart enough to figure out how to get out of that hit, but obama ignored that opportunity and i think that's a mistake. joan, you're correct. he will everywhere he goes, he will save the day and correct what he didn't do last night, but 58 million people will not be able to be contacted in time for him to make that correction. >> well, joan, last night romney made another surprising state on his health care plan this time. let's take a look at the latest variation on a theme which is i'm not as bad as i am. let's watch it. >> let's get the governor explain what you would do it obamacare is repealed. how would you replace it? >> actually, it's a lengthy description but number one, pre-existing conditions are covered under my plan. number two, young people are able to stay on their family plan. >> well, there's a lie. keep it simple. i reserve my right to use it once in a while. his own guy came out and said, it's not in there. talking points memo re
and then proceed to walk through as clinton would have done the mathematics to prove it. i don't think romney would have been smart enough to figure out how to get out of that hit, but obama ignored that opportunity and i think that's a mistake. joan, you're correct. he will everywhere he goes, he will save the day and correct what he didn't do last night, but 58 million people will not be able to be contacted in time for him to make that correction. >> well, joan, last night romney made...
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this is the defensive marriage act signed by president clinton. it says for federal recognition, the marriages are only between men and women. the question is it fair, constitutional or discriminatory against gay couples. if it strikes it down, i doesn't say that states have to recognize gay marriages but where gay marriages have taken place, they have to uphold that. >> when will be we hear the arguments on it? >> october 10th. it's challenged by this white student, gable fisher from texas. the university has an interesting program, chuck. it grants admission automatic will toy the university of texas in austen for the top 10% of every high school class. the whole goal is racial diversity. that gets them some diversity. the question is whether they can take the extra tell to round out the race of the other applicants. >> it means it happens before the election, not the decision, and the argument and it means it will at least get into the presidential debate. pete williams. it's october 1st. where else is he going to be. >>> up next, florida, flor
this is the defensive marriage act signed by president clinton. it says for federal recognition, the marriages are only between men and women. the question is it fair, constitutional or discriminatory against gay couples. if it strikes it down, i doesn't say that states have to recognize gay marriages but where gay marriages have taken place, they have to uphold that. >> when will be we hear the arguments on it? >> october 10th. it's challenged by this white student, gable fisher...
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. >> bill clinton, who is very good at making things simple, as we know, he's done it again this summer, he said this was the most blatant thing, he talked about the florida example, the most blatant k356r78 of voter suppression where he said they were shutting down sunday before voting because that's when black people go to church and go on the buses because they don't have cars. you're the expert. what does this mean to you historically that this has been stopped at least in pennsylvania. >> this is big. all voters in pennsylvania can go vote. if you have an i.d., you can vote. if you don't go one, you can vote. that's critical right now because as you heard tur xi say, they were trying to steal the race in the state and given what this state is, steal it for the entire country. but what this also is sort of in line with is that we're starting to turn the tied. you know, we've won in wisconsin. we've won in texas. we've got a republican governor in the midwest, snyder, to actually veto one of these bills. we got governor mcdonald in virginia also from the gop to say, don't even bring
. >> bill clinton, who is very good at making things simple, as we know, he's done it again this summer, he said this was the most blatant thing, he talked about the florida example, the most blatant k356r78 of voter suppression where he said they were shutting down sunday before voting because that's when black people go to church and go on the buses because they don't have cars. you're the expert. what does this mean to you historically that this has been stopped at least in...
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that's what they've dope with clinton. it's still true. bill clinton today up in new hampshire again, sealed the deal again. he will do it in pennsylvania, he will do it in ohio, and when the time comes, he'll do it in wisconsin. they're going to own the rust belt, the democrats, because of this united party. that's what i think is really important this election. >> and you've got it on politics and you've got it on policy. you've got bill clinton in new hampshire stumping for president obama today. and today with this crisis in syria, in turkey, with this ongoing crisis in libya, you've got hillary clinton out there, the tip of the sphere, the administration, she's going press availabilities with the foreign minister of kazakhstan today. she's absolutely integrated into the obama administration with no question of any division between them. i think that's -- i think to the extent that the clinton popularity in those rust belt states still explains enthusiasm that, i think that's exactly right. >>> all right, we've got lots to come, includ
that's what they've dope with clinton. it's still true. bill clinton today up in new hampshire again, sealed the deal again. he will do it in pennsylvania, he will do it in ohio, and when the time comes, he'll do it in wisconsin. they're going to own the rust belt, the democrats, because of this united party. that's what i think is really important this election. >> and you've got it on politics and you've got it on policy. you've got bill clinton in new hampshire stumping for president...
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. >> now the obama camp had no problem really slamming hillary clinton in the 2008 primaries in order to win that i'm told by top democrats privately that part of the strategy mr. obama had going into last night was that he thought if he really went on the attack before such a large audience face to face with mitt romney it might back fire and look like it's beneath the dignity of the office. he may have to rethink that now with two months to go trace. >> camp claims govern romney won last night because he lied. not everybody in the democratic party is buying that, right? >> that's right. i even spoke to some obama supporters at this rally here in denver. a couple of women told me, look, they still want to vote for the president, they plan to, but they thought that mitt romney did a strong job. it wasn't because of style points. one woman used the gravitas and said he had command on the stage. none the less the obama campaign was insisting this was just about style. it was about scripted lines. while other senior democrats like charlie rangel said they are not buying that take a liste
. >> now the obama camp had no problem really slamming hillary clinton in the 2008 primaries in order to win that i'm told by top democrats privately that part of the strategy mr. obama had going into last night was that he thought if he really went on the attack before such a large audience face to face with mitt romney it might back fire and look like it's beneath the dignity of the office. he may have to rethink that now with two months to go trace. >> camp claims govern romney...
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against hillary clinton he wasn't a great debater. i have to look at tapes of obama as a debater in congressional races and state senate, he wasn't great. he's a speech maker. as a debater, he's never been good at all. laz night he outdid himself. he had so many allies to go down. whether about women. whether about 47%. whether it was about the fuz fuzziness of romney's policy suggestions on taxes. romney's suggestion the auto business bankrupt. he did not show up. he has to next time. the that you're going to see by tuesday is going to be significant in a lot of states. >> and also the swing in attitude. you look at the wall street journal editorial page. the best republican performance since 1980. bill crystal was saying the same thing last night. i was saying the same thing. i said, this is the best i've seen a republican do since 1980. >> in a generation. i've been very critical. bill crystal has been critical. conservatives have been critical. why can't mitt romney connect the dots? last night he did. how important is that -- for
against hillary clinton he wasn't a great debater. i have to look at tapes of obama as a debater in congressional races and state senate, he wasn't great. he's a speech maker. as a debater, he's never been good at all. laz night he outdid himself. he had so many allies to go down. whether about women. whether about 47%. whether it was about the fuz fuzziness of romney's policy suggestions on taxes. romney's suggestion the auto business bankrupt. he did not show up. he has to next time. the that...
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we'll see what's going on, whether hillary clinton and the department of state is somewhat responsible for what happened. >> brian: we know the f.b.i. was in, 24 hours later, they're out. >> is that crazy? took them four weeks to get in and they stayed a minute. >> brian: we don't have access to the prisoners. >> why is the f.b.i. doing this investigation? are we going to bring the defendants back to new york and try them? down the street? >> brian: boy, do off good show lined up. >> gretchen: see you later. she has conquered the music world and she's just 12 years old. ♪ . >> gretchen: singing star jackie evancho performs live for us next. looking forward to that. >> brian: amazing. >> coming up, we'll talk about the jobs number and how relevant that headline number really is to what's going on in the u.s. economy. also karl rove will join us with his 24, 48 hours later look at the debate and what he think attention mitt romney needs to do now. and liz cheney on why the f.b.i. was only on the ground for 24 hours in libya. we'll see you at the top of the hour when bill and i join you
we'll see what's going on, whether hillary clinton and the department of state is somewhat responsible for what happened. >> brian: we know the f.b.i. was in, 24 hours later, they're out. >> is that crazy? took them four weeks to get in and they stayed a minute. >> brian: we don't have access to the prisoners. >> why is the f.b.i. doing this investigation? are we going to bring the defendants back to new york and try them? down the street? >> brian: boy, do off...
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vice-president biden, then candidate biden crushed hillary clinton and barack obama in the debates. he was the one winning the debates. >> he's a very strong debater. i'm sure that that's the biden that will show up this week, but part of the problem that a president and a vice-president faces is that they can be insulated very easily. they speak to crowds that adore them. >> right. >> they aren't orphanage challenged with tough questions from reporters as we've seen lately and i think that's a big challenge for biden this time around. >> historically the vice-president debates, i think, vealyielded a lot more entertaining moment and some think they'll stand out more. >> lloyd benson and dan quayle, 2002008. >> jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. (cheer (cheers) >> that was a fierce moment. >> that was a strong zinger and perhaps the most memorable moment from the vice-presidential debate and often, a vice-presidential debate is about assurance. can the second person on the ticket become president and step in if need be. you've got to remember in 1988
vice-president biden, then candidate biden crushed hillary clinton and barack obama in the debates. he was the one winning the debates. >> he's a very strong debater. i'm sure that that's the biden that will show up this week, but part of the problem that a president and a vice-president faces is that they can be insulated very easily. they speak to crowds that adore them. >> right. >> they aren't orphanage challenged with tough questions from reporters as we've seen lately...